14th European Club Championships
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Sinisa Joksic reports from the European Club Cup finals in Belgrade. The
venue was the Hotel Jugoslavija on the river Danube and took place January
11-13th 1999. Panfox from Breda in the Netherlands won the event.

ROUND 1 11 January 1999

Teams
  1. "AGROUNIVERZAL" Zemun YUG 2670
     1. Kramnik, Vladimir G 2780 RUS
     2. Anand Vizvanathan G 2795 IND
     3. Beliavsky, Alexander G 2645 SLO
     4. Gelfand, Boris G 2675 BLR
     5. Damljanovic, Branko G 2555 YUG
     6. Ilincic, Zlatko G 2570 YUG
     7. Drasko, Milan G 2515 YUG
     8. Mikhalchishin, Adrian G 2530 SLO

  2. SV "PANFOX" Breda NED 2670
     1. Van Wely, Loek G 2635 NED
     2. Timman, Jan G 2655 NED
     3. Adams, Michael G 2715 ENG
     4. Lautier, Joel G 2625 FRA
     5. Gurevich, Mikhail G 2610 BEL
     6. Vaganian, Rafael G 2630 ARM
     7. Van der Wiel, John G 2525 NED
     8. Kuijf, Marinus G 2445 NED

  SC "SANKT PETERSBURG" RUS 2613
     1. Svidler Peter G 2710 RUS
     2. Khalifman, Alexander G 2645 RUS
     3. Sakaev, Konstanti G 2635 RUS
     4. Epishin, Vladimir G 2585 RUS
     5. Ivanov, Sergey G 2570 RUS
     6. Solozhenkin, Evgeniy G 2535 RUS
     7. Popov, Valerij G 2520 RUS

  CC "BOSNA" Sarajevo BIH 2585
     1. Sokolov, Ivan G 2620 BIH
     2. Lputian, Smbat G 2615 ARM
     3. Kozul, Zdenko G 2570 CRO
     4. Kurajica, Bojan G 2570 BIH
     5. Piket, Jeroen G 2606 HED
     6. Dizdarevic, Emir G 2530 BIH
     7. Galic, Zeljko F 2365 BIH

  5. KSz "STILON" Gorzow POL 2545
     1. Krasenkow, Michal G 2655 POL
     2. Shipov, Sergei G 2635 RUS
     3. Khenkin,Igor G 2600 RUS
     4. Markowski, Tomasz G 2525 POL
     5. Jaracz, Pavel IM 2465 POL
     6. Czerwonski,Aleksander IM 2390 POL

  6. "ELITZUR" Petah Tikva ISR 2572
     1. Yermolinsky, Alex G 2625 USA
     2. Smirin, Ilia G 2615 ISR
     3. Alterman, Boris G 2600 ISR
     4. Yudasin, Leonid G 2550 ISR
     5. Sutovskiy, Emil G 2575 ISR
     6. Oratovsky, Michael IM 2465 ISR
     7. Finkel Alexander G 2455 ISR
     8. Tyomkin Dimitri IM 2465 ISR

  7. "POLONIA" Warszawa POL 2573
     1. Shirov, Alexei G 2720 ESP
     2. Oll, Lembit G 2650 EST
     3. Rozentalis, Eduardas G 2575 LTU
     4. Gdanski, Jacek G 2540 POL
     5. Macieja, Bartlomiej IM 2480 POL
     6. Socko, Bartosz IM 2475 POL
     7. Kuczynski, Robert G 2470 POL

  8. "BEER SHEVA" ISR 2542
     1. Huzman Alexander G 2575 ISR
     2. Golod, Vitali G 2555 ISR
     3. Avrukh, Boris G 2565 ISR
     4. Greenfeld, Alon G 2535 ISR
     5. Mikhalevski Victor G 2540 ISR
     6. Tseitlin Mark G 2480 ISR

The prize fund is 15.000 SF divided into quarters; 1. 7.500 SF 2. 3.750 SF
3. 2.250 SF and 4. 1.500 SF.

After the first round two of the top four seeded teams are out!
Agrouniverzal with Kramnik, Anand, Beliavsky and Gelfand lost deservedly to
the persistent Warszawa team. Simply they had the greater desire to win.
Anand won a tremendous game with Oll. Shirov beat Kramnik in a long ending
with pawn up and Gdanski took advantage of poor Gelfand's play.
Rozentalis-Beliavsky was a fighting draw. Even more of a surprise was the
disasterous result of Sankt Petersburg. All was finished by the first
time-control. The three Beer Sheva players with the white pieces, Huzman,
Avrukh and Mikhalevsky brought about a 3:0 lead, and reserved a place in
the final four. Without doubt the most experienced team (and with the
highest average rating, too) Netherland's champions Panfox carried out a
strange tactic. They made five draws in a few hours, and left Jan Timman
with a hopeful position. It was the correct decision and Timman played
convincingly and won. Neither Bosnian player had to work hard for the
second team from Poland. Armenian Smbat Lputian is famous as very
successful team player, with Kozul's help he took Sarajevo into the second
round. IM Pavel Jaracz only alleviated the pain with a nice win against
Piket. In the 2nd round the pairings are: "PANFOX" - "BOSNA" and "POLONIA"
- "BEER SHEVA" for 1-4 place. "SANKT PETERSBUR" - "AGROUNIVERZAL" and
"STILON" - "ELITZUR" for 5-8.

1st Round

"ELITZUR" Petah Tikva, ISR     -   "PANFOX" Breda, NED 2,5:3,5
Smirin, Ilia G 2615 ISR        -  Van Wely, Loek G 2635 NED    1/2
Alterman, Boris G 2600 ISR     -  Timman, Jan G 2655 NED       0:1
Yudasin, Leonid G 2550 ISR     -  Adams, Michael G 2715 ENG    1/2
Oratovsky, Michael IM 2465 ISR -  Lautier, Joel G 2625 FRA     1/2
Finkel Alexander G 2455 ISR    -  Gurevich, Mikhail G 2610 BEL 1/2
Tyomkin Dimitri IM 2465 ISR    -  Vaganian, Rafael G 2630 ARM  1/2

"BEER SHEVA" ISR  -   "SANKT PETERSBURG" RUS 4,5:1,5
Huzman Alexander G 2575 ISR    -  Svidler Peter G 2710 RUS        1:0
Golod, Vitali G 2555 ISR       -  Khalifman, Alexander G 2645 RUS 1/2
Avrukh, Boris G 2565 ISR       -  Sakaev, Konstanti G 2635 RUS    1:0
Greenfeld, Alon G 2535 ISR     -  Ivanov, Sergey G 2570 RUS       1/2
Mikhalevski Victor G 2540 ISR  -  Solozhenkin, Evgeniy G 2535 RUS 1:0
Tseitlin Mark G 2480 ISR       -  Popov, Valerij G 2520 RUS       1/2

"POLONIA" Warszawa POL  -   "AGROUNIVERZAL" Zemun YUG 3,5:2,5
Shirov, Alexei G 2720 ESP       -  Kramnik, Vladimir G 2780 RUS   1:0
Oll, Lembit G 2650 EST          -  Anand, Viswanathan G 2795 IND  0:1
Rozentalis, Eduardas G 2575 LTU -  Beliavsky Alexander G 2645 SLO 1/2
Gdanski, Jacek G 2540 POL       -  Gelfand, Boris G 2675 BLR      1:0
Macieja, Bartlomiej IM 2480 POL -  Damljanovic, Branko G 2555 YUG 1/2
Socko, Bartosz IM 2475 POL      -  Ilincic, Zlatko G 2570 YUG     1/2

"STILON" Gorzow POL  -   "BOSNA" Sarajevo BIH 2,5:3,5
Krasenkow, Michal G 2655 POL      -  Sokolov, Ivan G 2620 BIH     1/2
Shipov, Sergei G 2635 RUS         -  Lputian, Smbat G 2615 ARM    0:1
Khenkin,Igor G 2600 RUS           -  Kozul, Zdenko G 2570 CRO     0:1
Markowski, Tomasz G 2525 POL      -  Kurajica, Bojan G 2570 BIH   1/2
Jaracz, Pavel IM 2465 POL         -  Piket, Jeroen G 2606 HED     1:0
Czerwonski,Aleksander IM 2390 POL -  Dizdarevic, Emir G 2530 BIH  1/2

ROUND 2 12 January 1999

The Dutch champions "Panfox" from Breda and "Polonia" from Warszawa
(Poland) will play in the final of the European Club Cup to decide the best
chess club in Europe. Pairings for the third and last day:

"PANFOX" Breda, NED - "POLONIA" Warszawa POL for the champion,
"POLONIA" Warszawa POL - "BEER SHEVA" ISR for the 3th place,
"AGROUNIVERZAL" Zemun YUG - "ELITZUR" Petah Tikva, ISR for the 5th place and
"SANKT PETERSBURG" RUS - "STILON" Gorzow POL for the 7th place.
The last round starts on Wednesday at 3 p.m.

DAY TWO RESULTS

"PANFOX" Breda, NED  -  "BOSNA" Sarajevo BIH   5:1
Van Wely, Loek G 2635 NED - Sokolov, Ivan G 2620 BIH  1:0
Timman, Jan G 2655 NED - Lputian, Smbat G 2615 ARM 1:0
Adams, Michael G 2715 ENG - Kozul, Zdenko G 2570 CRO  1:0
Lautier, Joel G 2625 FRA - Kurajica, Bojan G 2570 BIH  1/2
Gurevich, Mikhail G 2610 BEL - Piket, Jeroen G 2606 HED        1/2
Vaganian, Rafael G 2630 ARM - Dizdarevic, Emir G 2530 BIH  1:0

"POLONIA" Warszawa POL  -  "BEER SHEVA" ISR   4:2
Shirov, Alexei G 2720 ESP - Huzman Alexander G 2575 ISR 1:0
Oll, Lembit G 2650 EST - Golod, Vitali G 2555 ISR  1/2
Rozentalis, Eduardas G 2575 LTU - Avrukh, Boris G 2565 ISR   1/2
Gdanski, Jacek G 2540 POL - Greenfeld, Alon G 2535 ISR 1/2
Macieja, Bartlomiej IM 2480 POL - Mikhalevski Victor G 2540 ISR    1/2
Socko, Bartosz IM 2475 POL - Tseitlin Mark G 2480 ISR 1:0

"STILON" Gorzow POL  -  "ELITZUR" Petah Tikva, ISR 2,5:3,5
Krasenkow, Michal G 2655 POL - Smirin, Ilia G 2615 ISR  1:0
Shipov, Sergei G 2635 RUS - Alterman, Boris G 2600 ISR 1/2
Khenkin,Igor G 2600 RUS - Yudasin, Leonid G 2550 ISR 1/2
Markowski, Tomasz G 2525 POL - Oratovsky, Michael IM 2465 ISR  1/2
Jaracz, Pavel IM 2465 POL - Finkel Alexander G 2455 ISR 0:1
Czerwonski,Aleksander IM 2390 POL - Tyomkin Dimitri IM 2465 ISR 0:1

"SANKT PETERSBURG" RUS  -  "AGROUNIVERZAL" Zemun YUG 2:4
Svidler Peter G 2710 RUS - Kramnik, Vladimir G 2780 RUS 1/2
Khalifman, Alexander G 2645 RUS - Anand Visvanathan G 2795 IND 1/2
Sakaev, Konstanti G 2635 RUS - Beliavsky, Alexander G 2645 SLO  1/2
Epishin, Vladimir G 2585 RUS - Gelfand, Boris G 2675 BLR 0:1
Ivanov, Sergey G 2570 RUS - Damljanovic, Branko G 2555 YUG  0:1
Popov, Valerij G 2520 RUS - Ilincic, Zlatko G 2570 YUG 1/2

No-one expected such an easy match for Panfox against the experienced team
from Bosnia. After three hours all was clear. Vaganian won and immediately
after, in a row, Van Wely, Mickey Adams and Timman. The Hastings winner,
Ivan Sokolov blundered in a position which he should have held. Adams and
Jan Timman played wonderful games, leaving the spectators divided as to
which was better.

Alexei Shirov carried all of the Polish team's hopes. When Polonia led with
3:2 (on six board Socko (21) beat Mark Tceitlin (56)) and, when a draw was
enough for final, Alexei, who is official challenger Gary's PCA, continued
for win. Like in the first round, Shirov demonstrated the highest ending
technich, to outplay Huzman, Svidler's conquerer in the first round, in
fine the rook ending.

Agrouniverzal's dream team after a "Titanic" performance in the first
round, changed to that of "Terminator" in the second. Disregarding the fact
that St Petersburg was on paper a stronger team than they lost to in the
first round, they made light of the job. They dominated throughout, as in
football, when one team plays all the time in their opponent's half.
Gelfand played a pretty game against Epishin, who didn't play in the first
round and, Damljanovic assisted him to confirm the win. An interesting
fact, St Petersburg played half of the Russian team that won the last
Olympiad, yet they will fight only for the 7th place!

Grandmaster Krasenkov could do nothing alone. He won a very nice game
against Smirin but Beer Sheva were strong on the bottom two boards. The
executioners were Finkel and Tyomkin.

A characteristic of the second round was that after four hours all the
games except Shirov-Huzman and Sakaev-Beliavsky were over but without any
short games! More than two thousand spectators passed through the playing
hall in the Hotel "Jugoslavija" on the second day.

ROUND 3 [Final] 13 January 1999

The new European Champions are "Panfox" from Breda, who have also been
Dutch Champions several times. In the last five years Panfox have been
champions four times.

Against Polonia, in the final, they were great favorites by the reputation
of their players and their ratings and experience.

At the start all was in their favour. Shirov fell into a prepared variation
from Van Wely. Following the famous Gruenfeld Defence, from the
Karpov-Kasparov match with a bishop sacrifice on f7. On the 23rd move
Shirov thought more than an hour. (Shirov had spent 1.15 and Van Wely only
5 minutes!) In the other games Dutch players also had good positions.
Shirov's long think bore fruit however, a nice pawn sacrifice which made
the position unclear. This was the start of an astonishing turnaround in
fortune in the games. Vaganian made a mistake, losing a rook and the game.
Timman got into a difficult position, lost a pawn and suddenly everybody
saw "Polonia" as favourites. Half an hour later it looked even worse,
Tinmman was in a lost position and in the other games Poland's players were
all right. The ten minutes before the first time control a new change in
fortunes. Adams sacrificed a bishop for two pawns and an attack. Rozentalis
was shocked and in time trouble lost. Lautier drew and Oll allowed Timman
some hope to save the game. Coaches start to calculate what might happen
with a tied match score. As a rule, you first take off the last board, and
as the Dutch side's player (Vaganian) lost, 3:3 would be enough.
Nevertheless a tied result didn't happen.

Timman saved a draw with his opponent's help and when peace was agreed on
the top board the match was all was over. A draw was enough for the Dutch,
but Gurevich was a pawn up and the winning position. He won, and so the
Dutch also won the match. "Bosnia" wanted so much to take third place and
the final medal. Sokolov won nicely but then Avrukh, Tseitlin and
Mikhalevski were turned over. Grandmaster Piket tried to reduce the
deficit, fighting nearly seven hours, and more than 100 moves, in a rook
ending a pawn up.

Fifth were "Agrouniverzal" with it's "dream" team. Their fans expected much
more. The chess elite of Kramnik, Anand, Beliavsky and Gelfand made just
plus one from 12 games! "Agrouniverzal" entered in the final because they
were hosts, in the last round they got the chance to have revenge against
"Elitzur", who eliminated them in semi-final. They did so, with wins from
Gelfand and Damljanovic, just like the day before. Kramnik, a pawn up,
pressed for a win against Smirin for 75 moves.

The "Sankt Petersburg" team didn't win a single game in the first two
rounds. In the last match Sakaev, Solozhenkin and Popov won.

The championship was very interesting with the lot of nice, fighting games.
The players like this type of tournament, just because it is not so long.
Even the best players can find three free days. A new idea of making the
event longer with 10 teams, who have to play each other is surely wrong.

"Agrouniverzal" organized championships at three weeks notice. It wasn't
bad but with the more time it could have been much better. (The
Press-center and Bulletin office were not as good as they should have
been).

The few thousand chess fans who visited tournament were satisfied although
there were only seven demonstration boards.

FINAL

"PANFOX" Breda, NED  -  "POLONIA" Warszawa POL  3,5:2,5
Van Wely, Loek G 2635 NED - Shirov, Alexei G 2720 ESP   1/2
Timman, Jan G 2655 NED - Oll, Lembit G 2650 EST   1/2
Adams, Michael G 2715 ENG - Rozentalis, Eduardas G 2575 LTU   1:0
Lautier, Joel G 2625 FRA - Gdanski, Jacek G 2540 POL   1/2
Gurevich, Mikhail G 2610 BEL - Macieja, Bartlomiej IM 2480 POL   1:0
Vaganian, Rafael G 2630 ARM - Socko, Bartosz IM 2475 POL   1/2

"BOSNA" Sarajevo BIH  -  "BEER SHEVA" ISR   2:4
Sokolov, Ivan G 2620 BIH - Huzman, Alexander G 2575 ISR   1:0
Lputian, Smbat G 2615 ARM - Golod, Vitali G 2555 ISR   1/2
Kozul, Zdenko G 2570 CRO - Avrukh, Boris G 2565 ISR   0:1
Kurajica, Bojan G 2570 BIH - Greenfeld, Alon G 2535 ISR   0:1
Piket, Jeroen G 2606 HED - Mikhalevski, Victor G 2540 ISR   1/2
Dizdarevic, Emir G 2530 BIH - Tseitlin, Mark G 2480 ISR   0:1

"AGROUNIVERZAL" Zemun YUG  -  "ELITZUR" Petah Tikva, ISR   4:2
Kramnik, Vladimir G 2780 RUS - Smirin, Ilia G 2615 ISR   1/2
Anand Vizvanathan G 2795 IND - Alterman, Boris G 2600 ISR   1/2
Beliavsky, Alexander G 2645 SLO - Yudasin, Leonid G 2550 ISR   1/2
Gelfand, Boris G 2675 BLR - Oratovsky, Michael IM 2465 ISR   1:0
Damljanovic, Branko G 2555 YUG - Finkel, Alexander G 2455 ISR   1:0
Ilincic, Zlatko G 2570 YUG - Tyomkin, Dimitri IM 2465 ISR  1/2

"SANKT PETERSBURG" RUS  -  "STILON" Gorzow POL 4,5:1,5
Svidler, Peter G 2710 RUS - Krasenkow, Michal G 2655 POL  1/2
Khalifman, Alexander G 2645 RUS - Shipov, Sergei G 2635 RUS 1/2
Sakaev, Konstanti G 2635 RUS - Khenkin, Igor G 2600 RUS  1:0
Epishin, Vladimir G 2585 RUS - Markowski, Tomasz G 2525 POL 1/2
Solozhenkin, Evgeniy G 2535 RUS - Jaracz, Pavel IM 2465 POL  1:0
Popov, Valerij G 2520 RUS - Czerwonski,Aleksander IM 2390 POL  1:0

FINAL STANDINGS

1. SV "PANFOX" Breda NED 2670
Van Wely, Loek G 2635 NED             2.0 out of 3
Timman, Jan G 2655 NED                2.5
Adams, Michael G 2715 ENG             2.5
Lautier, Joel G 2625 FRA              1.5
Gurevich, Mikhail G 2610 BEL          2.0
Vaganian, Rafael G 2630 ARM           1.5

2. "POLONIA" Warszawa POL 2573
Shirov, Alexei G 2720 ESP             2.5/3
Oll, Lembit G 2650 EST                1.0
Rozentalis, Eduardas G 2575 LTU       1.0
Gdanski, Jacek G 2540 POL             2.0
Macieja, Bartlomiej IM 2480 POL       1.0
Socko, Bartosz IM 2475 POL            2.5

3. "BEER SHEVA" ISR 2542
Huzman Alexander G 2575 ISR           1.0/3
Golod, Vitali G 2555 ISR              1.5
Avrukh, Boris G 2565 ISR              2.5
Greenfeld, Alon G 2535 ISR            2.0
Mikhalevski Victor G 2540 ISR         2.0
Tseitlin Mark G 2480 ISR              1.5

4. CC "BOSNA" Sarajevo BIH 2585
Sokolov, Ivan G 2620 BIH              1.5/3
Lputian, Smbat G 2615 ARM             1.5
Kozul, Zdenko G 2570 CRO              1.0
Kurajica, Bojan G 2570 BIH            1.0
Piket, Jeroen G 2606 HED              1.0
Dizdarevic, Emir G 2530 BIH           0.5

5. "AGROUNIVERZAL" Zemun YUG 2670
Kramnik, Vladimir G 2780 RUS          1.0/3
Anand Vizvanathan G 2795 IND          2.0
Beliavsky, Alexander G 2645 SLO       1.5
Gelfand, Boris G 2675 BLR             2.0
Damljanovic, Branko G 2555 YUG        2.5
Ilincic, Zlatko G 2570 YUG            1.5

6. "ELITZUR" Petah Tikva ISR 2572
Smirin, Ilia G 2615 ISR               1.0/3
Alterman, Boris G 2600 ISR            1.0
Yudasin, Leonid G 2550 ISR            1.5
Oratovsky, Michael IM 2465 ISR        1.0
Finkel Alexander G 2455 ISR           1.5
Tyomkin Dimitri IM 2465 ISR           2.0

7. "SANKT PETERSBURG" RUS 2613
Svidler Peter G 2710 RUS              1.0/3
Khalifman, Alexander G 2645 RUS       1.5/3
Sakaev, Konstanti G 2635 RUS          1.5/3
Epishin, Vladimir G 2585 RUS          0.5/2
Ivanov, Sergey G 2570 RUS             0.5/2
Solozhenkin, Evgeniy G 2535 RUS       1.0/2
Popov, Valerij G 2520 RUS             2.0/3

8. KSz "STILON" Gorzow POL 2545
Krasenkow, Michal G 2655 POL          2.0/3
Shipov, Sergei G 2635 RUS             1.0
Khenkin,Igor G 2600 RUS               0.5
Markowski, Tomasz G 2525 POL          1.5
Jaracz, Pavel IM 2465 POL             1.0
Czerwonski,Aleksander IM 2390 POL     0.5

Final roundup

The top three teams, "PANFOX", "POLONIA" and "BEER SHEVA" got nice cups and
medals. The prize fund was 15.000 swiss francs, 1st 7.500 SF, 2nd 3.750 SF,
3rd 2.250 SF and 4th 1.500 SF. 49 players played in the event including 43
grandmasters and 6 IMs. There were 4 grandmasters present as reserves and
the more than 30 who just visit the event. Only "Sankt Petersburg used 7
players. 48 players was from Europe and only one from Asia - Anand. Even
Anand now lives in Spain. Of 72 games 33 were decisive or 46% there were 49
draws. Non of the matches finished tied!

The best results on the boards were:
Board 1 - Alexei Shirov ("Polonia") 2,5/3
Board 2 - Jan Timman ("Panfox") 2,5/3
Board 3 - Michael Adams ("Panfox") 2,5/3
Board 4 - Bolris Avrukh ("Beer Sheva") 2,5/3
Board 5 - Branko Damljanovic ("Agrouniverzal") 2,5/3
      and Bartosz Socko ("Polonia") 2,5 /3

The best player was Alexei Shirov, the best game was Anand-Oll from Round
1, won by Anand. Eight players flew from Belgrade to Wijk ann Zee: Anand,
Kramnik, Shirov, Svidler, Timman, Van Wely, Sokolov and Piket.

The longest game was Piket-Mikhalevski (draw in 105 moves). The shortest
Alterman-Shipov and Shipov-Khalifman both 14 moves. There were only 9 short
draws, under 20 moves. The shortest decisive game was Huzman-Svidler 1:0 in
22 moves and the longest Gurevich-Macieja 1:0 in 72 moves. If you count
game points the result was: Panfox 12 out of 18, Beer Sheva and
Agrouniverzal 10,5 , Polonia 10, Elitzur and Sankt Petersburg 8, and Bosnia
and Stilon 6,5 points.

The Champions "Panfox" were the best organized and led team. Near the bar
most frequently were the players from "Panfox", "Bosnia" and
"Agrouniverzal". - Interesting is where the players were born. Former
Soviet Union 30, ex-Yugoslavia 6, Poland 6, Netherlands 3, England, France,
Israel and India 1 player.

The organization was good except that there were only 7 demonstration
boards,a very bad Press-center and Bulletin.

There were several thousand spectators who visited championship. Every
night (unfortunately very late) there was a TV broadcast of about 40
minutes. - The Championships were held in the Hotel "Jugoslavija" on the
river Danube. - The 14th European Club Championship was a great chess
event, with the great chess players. Only with the best chess players can a
chess event be great. Even the Olympiad without the best players loses
sense. The players like these short strong events. Three rounds it is not
so hard, and everybody can find time to participate. The only things that
is important is for it to be in some nice place or in big town in the
center of Europe.